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Postby Fler » Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:14 pm

I'm getting heavily into theory as I found my playing limiting and uninspired. Wanted to know what I was doing and to a vast extent. My main influences are people who know either a lot (Fredrik Thordendal, Devin Townsend, Mattias Eklundh, Paul Masvidal, Allan Holdsworth, Muhammed Suicmez, etc) or fuck all, I wanted to be able to construct complex music and know what I was doing and how I could develop it. Give myself complete control over my creations. I found there most certainly is only so far you can go playing by feel.

The theory should not control ones playing but be a reference. I'm eager to see how my own songwriting will evolve now as a result of my gaining interest in musical theory and such. Looking into a bit of detailed rhythmic theory soon too, polyrhythyms ahoy!
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Postby Faust » Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:24 am

Megadeth7684 wrote:
Alexeh wrote:Well without theory you're basically almost randomly hitting notes in the hope of getting something good, whilst if you know theory you already know how to get the sound you're looking for. Guitarists and theory don't seem to go together well though. :lol:


Not true at all. There are a ton of great players who don't know theory. Also, some people get too caught up in playing the "right" notes that they just end up writing boring shit. There are advantages and disadvantages to knowing, and not knowing theory IMO.


Check out the later recordings by Gorguts! Luc Lemay writes the most scary stuff, it sounds like its not fitting together then you listen and it makes some sense, then they change what theyre playing and it takes you a second to see why it works, its fucked up, he obviously know theory, but his style and thought processes when writing make his stuff amazing he doesnt get hampered by 'being correct' on the guitar, he searches for the most crazy riffs and tones!

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Postby ShockMe.au » Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:46 am

hey guys just remember that some of us just are ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE NEAR you guys in theory so, can ya dumb it down sometimes?
Nearly every post here is way more advanced than me... :oops:
I admit I can read music, play some scales and have a basic understanding of theory, but I read TABs and play songs (badly?!?!) that I know. There are probably a few others here who would greatly appreciate some Music Theory 101 lessons!
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Postby progmetaldan » Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:08 am

ask questions and we'll surely try to help out... :wink:
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Postby Faust » Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:21 pm

Don't worry i'm no wiz with Theory either, people mostly want to know some theory to write solos over riffs so they are in the tune, or right key. So yeah ask questions, theres enough people on here to get you out of trouble or into it hahahaha

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Postby ShockMe.au » Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:38 pm

Faust wrote:Don't worry i'm no wiz with Theory either, people mostly want to know some theory to write solos over riffs so they are in the tune, or right key. So yeah ask questions, theres enough people on here to get you out of trouble or into it hahahaha

Great stuff people! 8)
Thanks, I will.
I just hope I don't sound like a complete idiot.....

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Re: Welcome To Music Theory

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Taken care of , cheers.
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Re: Welcome To Music Theory

Postby blackorchidx » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:18 pm

I think people get caught up in a lot of complexities surrounding music theory

A lot of music theory has come from analysis of music of "how" things came to be, and not "how" to create music.

One prime example is that encompassing "bach type baroque music" so heres a short story:

back in those times, there was modes, and not major scales or minor scales, it was all a greek based modal system, however problems arose when harmonising

Ic - V7 - I is a perfect cadence but you wont get this in the aeolian (minor scale mode) so the 7th was raised to imply the harmony and give bach etc their perfect cadence.
then another problem arose, the 6th to 7th in the harmonic minor is an augmented 2nd interval, very bad in harmony so the 6th was raised too to imply a more stable harmony and more melodic function.

This is all later analysis and not really "theory" in that period of music, i guess the only theory those guys learnt was modes and counterpoint.

anyways, that is "how" music was written then, not how to write like bach or handel etc, that is what i believe music theory to be, whether its disagreed upon or not.

In summary, dont write in theory, but instead correct arisen problems with theory.

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